As Benedict Brogan points out, John Mann is moving the debate on, relating the level of an overnight allowance to civil service levels and the cost of a room across the river.
We can ignore the pronouncements of the famously duplicitous Byers and the failed Charles Clarke, their credibility spent years ago.
But another Brown has been dumped on another desert island. This is the Brown who parrots cries about 'do nothing Tories', when we all know the big economic issues are the level of debt the state can sustain and what programmes have to be cut to stop us going over the edge.
The Tories - ever indolently behind the curve - say ... they will give this some thought. This after Vince Cable has been explaining in his sage way for the past two weeks that strategic choices have to be made, tinkering won't do, whole programmes will have to be cut, and this doesn't just mean the easy stuff like chopping ID cards.
Frank Field gets it. He writes in detail of the awesome debt that could easily overwhelm the state's finances. No one knows if it will or not. That is how bad it is. If 'the left' will not start a debate about cost cutting, it will be led by the right.
The size of the State - or what Governments can do - is going to change. If we don't have an open and full debate the new politics will quickly take on a reactionary bent.Hence:
The new politics offers a once in a generation opportunity for radical politics.
Vince Cable and I have tabled today an Early Day Motion calling for a serious debate now, and not after the next election, on how to balance the nation's accounts.Both these debates have moved on from Brown. His mendacious politics can have no place in either of these debates as they break new ground.
Wave Brown goodbye.




