A cracking set of pieces this weekend about welfare dependency, the reasons for it, and how to crack the cycle.
Glasgow Labour MP Tom Harris leads off with an
article in the Mail with the long title
Why is it 'Left wing' to allow millions to live on benefits and let children get each other pregnant, asks the ex-minister who broke Labour's last taboo. From a Labour politician it's a ground breaking piece, concentrating on the social and moral breakdown that the structure if welfare benefits has caused - read it in full.
Fraser Nelson has followed it up in the
News of the World and
a Spectator blog. He points out that a girl leaving school without qualifications can get far more money through being a single parent than she will from the sort of jobs that will be open to her. The disparity is huge.
Hence also (though he does not make this point) the huge temptation of benefit fraud. It's remunerative, you're not likely to get caught, and if you're unlucky the punishments are often minimal. Benefit fraud, as I've shown on
my benefit fraud blog, costs us at least £2bn every year.
Fraser commends James Purnell, who "has moved to tackle child dependency, stopping it when the youngest child is 12. He wants to lower this to age three (like the rest of Europe)."
Make work pay, says Fraser. Take all low-paid out of tax. Make it worth while for people to take low paid jobs rather than live off benefits.
Comments on Tom Harris's article raise some interesting points:
- Each time I started a part-time job I found It cost me more in lost benefit than I gained in wages.
- Since the baby bonus was brought in here in Aussie there has been an increase in the number of teenage girls getting pregnant and they blow their cash hand-out on a plasma TV or a car or something and do not spend it on the baby as they are supposed to. There should be no benefits at all for unmarried mothers, just let their families support them or else give the child up for adoption. Why should I pay taxes to support someone else's lifestyle choice?
- Child benefit should not automatically be paid out and if it is it should be for one child only. If welfare benefits stopped so would the huge majority of teenage pregnancies.
- Before the girl can get full benefit she should have to disclose the name of the father. Then take half of his benefit towards hers so that she and the child get the full amount but the father only half. This happens for those working who find the addition of a child to be expensive so why not make the shiftless do the same. When a youth has to divide his own benefit between two or three others who have had his children, perhaps he will think again before starting any more.
- As for child pregnancy, cut the benefits and free flats and put the responsibility as it use to be on the parents. If they have to pay they will soon put a stop to it.
- Society and governments must find a way to differentiate between those for whom a life on benefits is a choice and those who have worked hard for years then been thrown on the scrapheap by redundancy. ... The DWP should be focussing on those who have never had a job in their lives, and treating hard working people who have lost their job through no fault of their own with a little more respect. Absolutely, and Frank Field has been hammering away at the same point.
- Its about time the system was changed to echo that of the Southern Irish; you can't take out what you haven't put in, or in other words, you need to pay in to the "social fund" for 5 years before you can claim...for anything! Sound good??? Not difficult to do and would get rid of these parasites in one sweep!
- I have the misfortune to have a 16 year old daughter who has a 4 month old son. ... shortly after the birth we are called by her appointed social worker (due to her age ) he was there to facilitate her housing needs and help with her benefits applications plus organise liaison with the birth father . Poor man was appalled when she said she was staying at home with her family didn't want her own home, was carrying on with her education and wanted to get a part time job.
- No benefit system that allows you to be better off not working at all than working full time for minimum wage can possibly be right. The maximum job seekers benefit anyone should be able to earn should be equivalent to 35 hours per week at minimum wage minus 20p per hour. And it should be taxable and they should have to pay their rent and council tax out of it.
The Tories doubtless have no votes to lose among the scrounging classes. But they probably have plenty to gain from a robust set of policies against benefit scroungers.
Should it be so hard to draw a line in the sand over child benefit? Start by stopping it at age three for children born after the end of this year. No preferential treatment for single mothers over people actually working in low paid jobs who do things in the right order.
And don't reward single parenthood more than the traditional two parent family.